EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.

Should it [wardecs] be limited to each party's ability to engage and fight, though? I mean that's what we're trying to zero in on: that consensual, high-sec engagement where its mutual, and both sides have the ability to participate and cause losses and cause damage, that's the kind of thing we want to be moving towards and encouraging.

I'm just stimulating conversation here. If we're going to balance the system, you need to understand what the primary goal is that you're trying to satisfy. And is that you want mutual high-sec engagements, or do I want a situation where one side is the complete aggressor, where the strong preys on the weak, and [the] weak [huddle in stations].

You miss the point, I think. I may be wrong

I read that as as "people who dont want to fight wont, so what's the actual point?"

I mean, setting aside the possibility of economic warfare because it's a) thin and b) only going to be a useful tactic against a large corp who are liable to fight back anyway.

If as massively outclassed corp is decced, what invariably happens is that they don't undock/drop to NPC corp. That's hardly spurring engagement or content, really. So a bunch of people trade in stations or play other stuff? Not exactly the stuff of dreams for either party tbh.

They are discussing problems intrinsic to EVE Online's mechanics and culture, which is that 90% of the time, hi-sec wardecs don't go anywhere.

Solomon wagered that this was the case in 70-80% of wars.

OP, sounds like your disappointed CCP doesn't tie up victims in hi-sec just for you.

I came here expecting one sided argument, left with expectations intact.

Why............... just why would we want another EQ clone ?

Not talking WoW here since EQ was the first true themepark based MMO, and now you wan't to bring the same sort of "duel" concept to Eve , jesus christ, that is something i can't and will never accept

There is a point in War deccing other corps, some corps rely on Merc corps to do their dirty business , its all apart of Eve and now you wanna change that and basicly remove not only 1 aspect about the game but several...........

If that would ever be the case i'd cancel every single account i own.

Except there's no danger of these changes being implemented anyway, since CCP does not approve of them and is not interested in making them.

Really?

He is the wrong person for CSM. I would do a better Job. But I already have one so no.

I don't mind what they are doing I encourage it, but I despise the fact that they sugar coat it.

I know to alot of people I am an ******* in this game which is why I am a member of the belligerent undesirables. I don't sugar coat what I do.. be real or GTFO.

Firstly, let me state clearly that there are no plans to change the war declaration mechanic into a system that caters to mutual high sec pvp only.

Secondly, the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP).

I often think back to my experiences in Ultima Online when discussing the war dec system. Removing it's teeth would be akin to introducing the Trammel/Felucca divide, for those that remember it.

Sure thing. I don't give a ship about PvP.
I don't want to have any interaction with any nullbears/newbbears.

There is a saying: "Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience".
So I never argue with nullbears. It's very good CCP might make this change about Wardec, saves me some time.

Seems like a large percentage of the posts in this thread equate to "if you disagree with the current philosophy of this game, you should leave the game".

Again: want to be badass? Be it! Don't ask for easy mode. Easy mode is for bears.

Hmmm something like attributes remapping.. You choose that your char cannot be attacked, but also you cannot attack anyone if you choose so for a period of one year... Pay like 1 billion isk fee for that or something like that.. Still stoned, but this seems like an uber idea..

I'm not saying all griefer corps are flowing with cash but the fact is that perma war decs are possible for just 1 plex a week which is not much at all if you consider Eve to be a serious hobby. For example, one particular corp has war dec'ed another corp (on which I can neither confirm nor deny my membership status) for the past 6 months.

I think you may have misunderstood my post, I did not mean to say that war decs should cost *more* ISK, I said they should cost *more than* ISK. ISK is a soft constraint that can be circumvented through in game wealth and plex, favoring veteran players and players with more cash. Being a fairly important mechanic, I think war decs should be subject to some hard constraints. This is why I think the aggressor should be forced acquire "causes of war" in order to war dec, and to choose war objectives, whose fulfillment determines who "won" the war, and they should suffer standing penalties as they are scorned by the rest of the galaxy if they don't achieve these objectives.

Basically I'd like to see emergent gameplay of the Deus Ex and Elder Scrolls variety where you can bend the rules if you're prepared to face the potential consequences. I feel like war decs in its current form is emergent gameplay of the Quake 3 Deathmatch variety where veteran griefers support it because they have all the power ups and the best guns.

Hopefully, somebody in CCP realizes that the VAST majority of their paying subscription base have nothing in common with the likes of you.

The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP).

EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.